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Message 111553 - Posted: 13 Dec 2011, 13:39:15 UTC

Along with the ongoing test related to OpenCL we will soon begin to test the setup for the next Einstein@Home Gravitational Wave search "S6LV1" (S6 data with "LineVeto", run #1). For now this will be a pure CPU App.
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Message 111578 - Posted: 15 Dec 2011, 12:11:47 UTC - in response to Message 111553.  

So, far, both of those workunits I've had so far gave a computation error near the end of the predicted runtime.

Server status suggests that no one else has completed one of those workunits successfully, either.
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Message 111579 - Posted: 15 Dec 2011, 13:47:32 UTC
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Thanks. Apparently the checkpointing is broken, i.e. the "toplist" structure is broken after the App resumes from a checkpoint, the next "insert" then crashes the App.

Until this is fixed I suspended sending out more S6LV1 work.

If you want to finish the tasks already out there, avoid an App restart (set "leave App in Memory while suspended" to "yes", avoid quitting BOINC or ashutting down your computer).

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Message 111589 - Posted: 16 Dec 2011, 3:22:17 UTC

I'll have to disable S6LV1 on one of my computers, then. A certain part of its backup software needs to run every night with BOINC not running.

Upgrading to BOINC 7.0.2 might have fixed the problem requiring frequent reboots on a second computer. It will probably take a few more days to tell. For now, I'll let it keep trying to get S6LV1 workunits.
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Message 111593 - Posted: 16 Dec 2011, 15:57:44 UTC

Hmm. All the S6 LineVeto work units are crashing immediately for me:

http://albert.phys.uwm.edu/result.php?resultid=65949
http://albert.phys.uwm.edu/result.php?resultid=65791


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Message 111596 - Posted: 16 Dec 2011, 18:05:57 UTC - in response to Message 111593.  
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Hi Gaurav!

Could you stop BOINC and send me a init_data.xml file from a slot directory (e.g. per eMail, plain file, don't just copy&paste the text)?

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Message 111613 - Posted: 21 Dec 2011, 18:15:19 UTC - in response to Message 111579.  

Checkpointing should work in the Apps version 1.01 published minutes ago. Testing of S6LV1 resumed.

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Message 111617 - Posted: 21 Dec 2011, 18:58:22 UTC - in response to Message 111589.  
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I'll have to disable S6LV1 on one of my computers, then. A certain part of its backup software needs to run every night with BOINC not running.

Upgrading to BOINC 7.0.2 might have fixed the problem requiring frequent reboots on a second computer. It will probably take a few more days to tell. For now, I'll let it keep trying to get S6LV1 workunits.


I've now found that BOINC 7.0.2 has made the problem requiring frequent reboots on the second computer less frequent, but not fully eliminated it. S6LV1 still enabled there.

I've found a way to reduce the problem on the first computer to a few minutes every 24 hours without BOINC running and without it in memory, without rebooting Windows, but it requires staying up until 1 AM to start the backups for that computer manually. I'll check if that if good enough for the newest S6LV1.
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Message 111619 - Posted: 21 Dec 2011, 20:53:05 UTC - in response to Message 111617.  
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Right now it's more important for us to learn whether the App now checkpoints and resumes correctly than to get completed results. You don't need to stay awake until 1AM for this to find out. Just stop BOINC (after running for >5min) and start it again. If the App resumes without crashing, it will continue to do so even after a reboot or whatever else may happen. If it crashes again when resuming, it's better to know that early than to waste more computing time.

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Message 111620 - Posted: 21 Dec 2011, 21:03:14 UTC

OK, I'll try that when I get another S6LV1 workunit if there's no other workunit from another BOINC project with an especially long CPU time since the last checkpoint.

Currently, the XXL workunits from RNA World are about the worst for long times
between checkpoints.
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Message 111623 - Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 19:14:58 UTC

Gravitational Wave S6 LineVeto serch 1.01 (SSE2)
h1_0052.00_S6GC1__50_S6LV1A

Appeared to resume from checkpoint properly after I shut down BOINC for a minute (not left in memory).

Still running now.

Looks like time for a check of whether this had an effect on getting the right answers.

You might want to check the spelling of "serch", though.

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Message 111624 - Posted: 24 Dec 2011, 21:50:24 UTC

FWIW we just got our first pair of results for WU #22235. Both matched and were found valid. None of these tasks was interrupted and resumed from checkpoint, though.

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Message 111641 - Posted: 3 Jan 2012, 18:46:35 UTC

May I point out a small typo, both in the apps page and the name of the application when showing in BOINC Manager?

It says "Gravitational Wave S6 LineVeto serch" and "Gravitational Wave S6 LineVeto serch 1.01 (SSE2)". "Search" is misspelled.

Am now running two of these beasts. Hopefully their <rsc_fpops_est> will be adjusted at some point? As they sure don't run for the 6 hours and 45 minutes that they're estimated at. It's been almost 2 hours and progress is only at 7%.
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Message 111642 - Posted: 3 Jan 2012, 19:32:23 UTC

After 1 hour it is a 3.550%. But it does not run in high priority, contrarily to the binary pulsar search.
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Message 111649 - Posted: 4 Jan 2012, 12:18:48 UTC - in response to Message 111641.  
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May I point out a small typo, both in the apps page and the name of the application when showing in BOINC Manager?

It says "Gravitational Wave S6 LineVeto serch" and "Gravitational Wave S6 LineVeto serch 1.01 (SSE2)". "Search" is misspelled.


Thanks. Fixed in the DB, I don't know whether and when this propagates to the Client and then Manager.


Hopefully their will be adjusted at some point? As they sure don't run for the 6 hours and 45 minutes that they're estimated at. It's been almost 2 hours and progress is only at 7%.


Actually we hope to get the App to live up to the speed / runtime we designed the workunits for. An important optimization that is in the S6Bucket App still doesn't work with code changes we had to make for S6LV1. We're working on that. The new server & client code should be able to adjust the runtime estimates with time, though.

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Message 111655 - Posted: 4 Jan 2012, 23:54:43 UTC - in response to Message 111649.  

Actually we hope to get the App to live up to the speed / runtime we designed the workunits for. An important optimization that is in the S6Bucket App still doesn't work with code changes we had to make for S6LV1. We're working on that. The new server & client code should be able to adjust the runtime estimates with time, though.

OK, that's fair.

In the mean time, it sped up a little. 20.562% for the one at 5h 20m 35s and 16.863% for the other at 4h 41m 38s. Hopefully they survive the trip as they have been suspended and resumed multiple times now.
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Message 111657 - Posted: 5 Jan 2012, 11:24:23 UTC

Mine is now at 40.532% after 12:30:42 hours and running OK.
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Message 111659 - Posted: 6 Jan 2012, 11:56:32 UTC - in response to Message 111655.  
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Hopefully they survive the trip as they have been suspended and resumed multiple times now.


The previous error would make the app crash soon after resuming from a checkpoint. If this task was successfully resumed multiple times, there is nothing to worry about.

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Message 111663 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 15:25:07 UTC

The first one ended in 77K seconds run time, 70K CPU time.
http://albert.phys.uwm.edu/result.php?resultid=72454
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Message 111726 - Posted: 20 Jan 2012, 20:08:32 UTC
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Is there any reason why all the S6 tasks have been cancelled?

EDIT: Just noticed you've released a new app! Problem with validating?
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