BOINC projects are credit based projects as the only thank you a project can give to a user is via a metric called cobbnlestones or credits.

Where does it say that a project needs to give credits/cobblestones?
Where does it say how many?
Where does it say that those have to be exported?

And again, to explain further what this project does, Bernd wrote in this message:

We can and would test new applications (and application versions) either privately or on the main project. What we intend to test on Albert is server side code that can't be tested on the main project without risking serious damage. The OpenCL support of BOINC requires server side modifications, too, that's why we test the OpenCL apps here.

I dunno where it doesn't say....The "where does" are good questions though....
99% of all other boinc projects does this credit thing.
Have you missed that ageless?

And I would like to add that i support BM in what he is trying to accomplish here at Albert.

What we have here is an issue of 'locus of control' - who is running the shop?

With all sorts of arguments presented - of varying bases - and subsequent annoyance by some of the failure of the proposal that the act of volunteering requires/demands that their wishes be met, when all it really needs to resolve is that they simply don't volunteer their equipment for use. So in practical terms it's a simple resolution, as advertised.

Also it would appear that most posters have missed the self evident practical problem that offering credit implies some time consuming and frequently fruitless interaction ( as exquisitely demonstrated here ) with people that are quite unable to take no as an answer, however expressed. And that often depends upon people's personal horizon of interest and level of maturity ( a wide array of both ). That is the base reason for not offering credit here at Albert. We need a test milieu without the endless complication of such interactions. Clearly some see that as a dangerous paradigm to allow ..... :-)

Please keep discussing though, as I'm sure some sociologist one day may wish to view this, probably to sort out the question of "what were those credits all about?". :-)

Personally I think the time will come when credits will die, for the practical reason of the type of inefficiencies as demonstrated here in this thread. An enterprise that is touting for outside help by definition also may lack resources to take on the extra burden thus entailed. To wit : the effort required to keep 'noisy' crunchers happy may not be offset by their gifts. Have any of those complaining here considered that - or do we divert, yet again, to emotional landscaping?

Cheers, Mike.

( edit ) Oh, I forgot to mention : this is a science project looking for astronomical events. ;-)

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"I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal

lol

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That's good, very good !

As ever, humor is the answer .... :-)

Cheers, Mike.

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"I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal

Ok...

The shop as you call it, is not a shop like no other...Why?
If this is a magic shop whith some universal stuff at hand that has already solved the answers of the universe.... Why not tell us??

I quote BM: What we intend to test on Albert is server side code that can't be tested on the main project without risking serious damage. The OpenCL support of BOINC requires server side modifications, too, that's why we test the OpenCL apps here.

What is it he really says here....?

Is there already an OpenCl app ready here?
All that is needed is the boinc managers OpenCl support to work with the server side software to work with the app.

Well, that is my interpretation here. And of course I am wrong as usuall.

And I still have an open question to "jord(ageless) of what he is doing here.
I, myself ansered him that I joined up to see if I could help with a few tasks.
He's reply was as he replied to me. I ignore you.

And Mike, Isn't a forum supposed to be used?
I haven't seen any complaining....
Only questions that aren't really answered....
The answers only generates more questions...

The "Don't expect anything to work here", In this forum everything works at peak performance. I guess that's why I am still here.

-=A metafore or whatever it is called=-
Once there was a guy that suggested he could get hold of a 100 000 computors to "build" a supercomputor. He did that at SETI@Home long before boinc was thought of. He made a screansaver so that "ordinary" people could help him with his project and also with the project itself that was SETI@HOME.

Now with boinc and some more then a 100 000 computors attached to it.
Someone here might not want to see that it is volontary people here with all kinds of different science/tech/social interest. Real human beings.

Me babling about lots of non of use stuff here....

//TQ

What we have here is an issue of 'locus of control' - who is running the shop?

With all sorts of arguments presented - of varying bases - and subsequent annoyance by some of the failure of the proposal that the act of volunteering requires/demands that their wishes be met, when all it really needs to resolve is that they simply don't volunteer their equipment for use. So in practical terms it's a simple resolution, as advertised.

Also it would appear that most posters have missed the self evident practical problem that offering credit implies some time consuming and frequently fruitless interaction ( as exquisitely demonstrated here ) with people that are quite unable to take no as an answer, however expressed. And that often depends upon people's personal horizon of interest and level of maturity ( a wide array of both ). That is the base reason for not offering credit here at Albert. We need a test milieu without the endless complication of such interactions. Clearly some see that as a dangerous paradigm to allow ..... :-)

Please keep discussing though, as I'm sure some sociologist one day may wish to view this, probably to sort out the question of "what were those credits all about?". :-)

Personally I think the time will come when credits will die, for the practical reason of the type of inefficiencies as demonstrated here in this thread. An enterprise that is touting for outside help by definition also may lack resources to take on the extra burden thus entailed. To wit : the effort required to keep 'noisy' crunchers happy may not be offset by their gifts. Have any of those complaining here considered that - or do we divert, yet again, to emotional landscaping?

Cheers, Mike.

( edit ) Oh, I forgot to mention : this is a science project looking for astronomical events. ;-)

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Yes humour is good :)

//TQ

That's good, very good !

As ever, humor is the answer .... :-)

Cheers, Mike.

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Ok...
Me babling about lots of non of use stuff here....

I really can't follow any of what you're saying, but thanks for the effort anyway ... :-)

Please forgive me if I don't follow this thread closely at all from here on, I have other fish to fry. :-)

Cheers, Mike.

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"I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal

Please do fry em.

And yes, I forgive you.

//TQ

Ok...
Me babling about lots of non of use stuff here....

I really can't follow any of what you're saying, but thanks for the effort anyway ... :-)

Please forgive me if I don't follow this thread closely at all from here on, I have other fish to fry. :-)

Cheers, Mike.

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