Free-DC List the Stats from Albert, "Why" apparently they were exported at some point in time

Do these stat sites crawl the web for sites offering BOINC stats files?

BM

Which stats sites do list Albert@Home, and why?

Mundayweb & Free-DC are two that I know of. But I don't follow many stat sites.

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Dublin, California
Team: SETI.USA

Look, do whatever you like. It's your project after all. I am only asking that stats be exported one last time (once the server is back up, and people have the opportunity to return the tasks), to cover the work in progress.

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Dublin, California
Team: SETI.USA

Free-DC List the Stats from Albert, "Why" apparently they were exported at some point in time

Do these stat sites crawl the web for sites offering BOINC stats files?

BM

I don't know, you'd have to ask Bok who runs the Free-DC Site. Usually they don't run the Stats unless they have Permission so I don't know why they were run if Bok didn't have Permission ...

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STE\/E

The only request for permission I ever got was from Willy of BOINCStats a ouple of weeks (maybe months) ago. I'll ask Bruce, but he never told me about such a request, and he certainly wouldn't have granted permission.

BM

Look, do whatever you like. It's your project after all. I am only asking that stats be exported one last time (once the server is back up, and people have the opportunity to return the tasks), to cover the work in progress.

Same here, at least give us the Credit for what we have done already, if you don't want us running the Project that's fine too, there are plenty of other Projects that are more than glad to have us help them out ... Our Equipment probably isn't up to Developers Standards anyway ... lol

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STE\/E

Albert@Home stats are currently being exported, I intend to shut this down late this week. There will be a news item (including RSS) at least 24h in advance.

But I still like to understand what happened here, how & why people that are only interested in credit ever attached a host to this project. This project was never meant to attract this kind of attention. I'd like to avoid such misunderstanding in the future.

BM

Albert@Home stats are currently being exported, I intend to shut this down late this week. There will be a news item (including RSS) at least 24h in advance.

But I still like to understand what happened here, how & why people that are only interested in credit ever attached a host to this project. This project was never meant to attract this kind of attention. I'd like to avoid such misunderstanding in the future.

BM

All New Projects Attract this kind of Attention, call it for the going for the Credit's or getting another Project Milestone or just for the Science of it your going to draw Attention.

Nothing said I couldn't join the Project when I found out about it, I read the warnings & took a chance on running the Wu's. I always help out any new Project so the Albert Project got help from me or at least I'd like to think it did anyway.

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STE\/E

@ KPX :

Just a complete disregard for crunchers ....

No. You've received the inevitable answer given the plainly stated context here, and you're upset because I stated the obvious that you evidently haven't picked up on yet.



@zombie :

Continuing non-sequitirs, this project is no more or less than announced.

It's your project after all.

Now you've got it...



@ Steve

if you don't like it then leave.

absolutely correct. Or to be more inclusive if you don't like it then don't turn up. As advertised.

at least give us the Credit

No. We said that before you came.



@ KPX :

Sorry that I even asked anything ..

there's the rub. We announced that you'd get no credit whatsoever, but you asked for it anyway ?



@ Frank

some out here do care for credits

whom we asked not to come here. In large writing on the wall. Many times. In plain language.

if you do not want to run things like other offical test-projects do, just block public access and close the whole case.

No. It's run for our purposes unrelated to any others. Specifically : it's not subject to other definitions.

how & why people that are only interested in credit ever attached a host to this project.

Maybe expectations were raised elsewhere? Certainly wasn't here ..... :-)

Cheers, Mike.

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"I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal

Wow, with a Attitude like yours Mike I'm sure you'll be in the running for Moderator of the Year ... ;)

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STE\/E

how & why people that are only interested in credit ever attached a host to this project.

Maybe expectations were raised elsewhere? Certainly wasn't here ..... :-)

Precisely. I'd like to understand where.

BM

LOL. I'm going for Polite Moderator of The Year, actually. :-)

Seriously though : why was there any expectation of credit when exactly the reverse was advertised. Someone somewhere else say something? Wishful thinking?

Cheers, Mike.

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"I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal

I read in another forum that this was a public project going on here at Albert@home. I guess the roumour spread rapidly since alot of Einstein@home and boinc people want to see an OpenCl app that works and that thoose people are willing to make almost anything to crunch a few tasks for even the smallest amount of credits to help you out in anyway they can.

I hope that you will make this a public einstein beta test(albert@home) so that all the people that can and are willing to contribute with alot of different computor variations and maybe feedback if you need it.

Alot of boinc volounteers help out for a small amount of credit.

Maybe I am just talking rubbish?

Albert@Home stats are currently being exported, I intend to shut this down late this week. There will be a news item (including RSS) at least 24h in advance.

But I still like to understand what happened here, how & why people that are only interested in credit ever attached a host to this project. This project was never meant to attract this kind of attention. I'd like to avoid such misunderstanding in the future.

BM

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I read in another forum that this was a public project going on here at Albert@home. I guess the roumour spread rapidly since alot of Einstein@home and boinc people want to see an OpenCl app that works .... Maybe I am just talking rubbish?

That makes alot of sense.

Bernd : perhaps we've been subject to the rumour mill. That would explain a lot.

Cheers, Mike.

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"I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal

Seriously though : why was there any expectation of credit when exactly the reverse was advertised.

Stats were being exported. That set the expectation that they would continue to be exported, unless or until there was an announcement of a change in policy. Simple as that.

What non-sequitirs? Can you please be specific? You asked questions, so I thought I was being polite by answering.

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Dublin, California
Team: SETI.USA

LOL. I'm going for Polite Moderator of The Year, actually. :-)

Seriously though : why was there any expectation of credit when exactly the reverse was advertised. Someone somewhere else say something? Wishful thinking?

Cheers, Mike.

Below is what it say's on the Front Page, nowhere does it say not to join the Project, in fact it say you are welcome to join to test features or fixes.

It does say if you care about Credits then this project is certainly not the right one for you. That's fine & I'm sure if we're helping then we don't really care about the Credits but as in all other Previous Test Projects before this one the Participants were rewarded with some sort of Credit however small it was.

Most of us know things go bad in a Test Project but we're willing to put up with it for that little bit of Reward so that's where some of the Expectations came in probably ... IMHO

Albert@Home is a test project ran by the Einstein@Home team. You are welcome to join if you want to help us test features or fixes that may later be transferred to Einstein@Home. However please keep in mind that this is a test project:

Most of the time Albert@Home will have no work to run at all, and when it has, the applcations are experimental, might be unstable, unreliable and may even damage your computer. Validation might be unreliable and we may cancel workunits without prior notice. If you care about credit, this project is certainly not the right one for you. For short:
Don't expect ANYTHING to work here.

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STE\/E

But I still like to understand what happened here, how & why people that are only interested in credit ever attached a host to this project.

It's not either/or. At least not for me. I am here for *both* helping develop the project *and* getting credits for whatever happens to validate properly. Frankly, I am very interesting in getting the ATI app working properly.

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Dublin, California
Team: SETI.USA

What non-sequitirs? Can you please be specific?

Nothing you've said has flowed from what we've publicly announced, so I guess that pretty well encompasses all that you've said here .... which is why we're asking about the setting of expectations.

Cheers, Mike.

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"I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal

But I still like to understand what happened here, how & why people that are only interested in credit ever attached a host to this project. This project was never meant to attract this kind of attention. I'd like to avoid such misunderstanding in the future.

As I said earlier "The hardcore milestone collectors will crunch *any* project that's available to them".

It's not just this project, there's loads of projects out there not listed on stats sites that I/we are attached to. The difference is that at some stage you exported stats. Once that happened, the cat was out of the bag :) Don't know why you started exporting them - Maybe the feature got turned on during a server upgrade or something.

As for finding out about projects, you'll find putting a key phrase from the default text on the front page of your or pretty much any project in Google will find loads of BOINC projects that aren't listed. Also, word of mouth is very important among crunchers. Another source of info is from the WUProp project. That will list all projects that have been run and had stats gathered by it.

FWIW, my view is that stats are exported they are free to be used by anyone. Doesn't take much effort to look in the stats directory and see if there are any up to date tables in there; If there are, use them :) I know some people (OK, 1 person) who disagrees, but it takes all sorts ;)

How to avoid it happening in the future? Make the project invitation code only. Although I think BWT's get invite codes by deafult? Also, don't ever export stats. MOPAC seems to have kept user interest minimal by never exporting stats.

Oh, and thank for starting up the stats export again - Much appreciated!

Al.

Albert@Home stats are currently being exported, I intend to shut this down late this week. There will be a news item (including RSS) at least 24h in advance.

Great news! Thanks!

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Dublin, California
Team: SETI.USA